Wild Bill's Stunt Jump Gone Bad

[stillridin]

Sorry about the footage. I was just tring to get to him as soon as possible.
http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad140/stillridinphoto/th_MOV01199.jpg (http://s929.photobucket.com/albums/ad140/stillridinphoto/?action=view&current=MOV01199.flv)
When he cased the jump he fell back off his quad, then the quad fell back onto him. I believe his hanle bars landed on his hip as he was laying on his side.
I've got more videos and many pics of the weekend. Will post tommorrow, to tired.

[Nick]

wow thats hard to watch. Why did they start with such a big gap?

[Sara]

owww :( what a tough cookie though.

[DS650]

That was very hard to watch I did not like to watch it one bit!!!

[Baileygunns]

Why did he let off the gas right on the top of the ramp?

[ilovehondas]

get well soon Wild Bill!!!!

[DS650]

Why did he let off the gas right on the top of the ramp?

I talked with him the other day on the phone and this is what he told me. He was taking some pointers from another other doing the jump. He told me the guy's quad that gave him the advice was a lot different than his. He took the advice and because of the big difference between the two quads its just did not work. Bill told me he should have gone with his own instinct but did not.

Bill here is too a quick recovery get well soon my friend. Just as we had talked about when you get well enough to ride I am coming down your way so we can rip it up.

[Baileygunns]

I talked with him the other day on the phone and this is what he told me. He was taking some pointers from another other doing the jump. He told me the guy's quad that gave him the advice was a lot different than his. He took the advice and because of the big difference between the two quads its just did not work. Bill told me he should have gone with his own instinct but did not.

Bill here is too a quick recovery get well soon my friend. Just as we had talked about when you get well enough to ride I am coming down your way so we can rip it up.


Some one told him to let of the gas??? YIKES!!!

Hope he remembers who it was after he recovers... I'd give that guy a little thumb throttle to the eye!

[DS650]

Some one told him to let of the gas??? YIKES!!!

Hope he remembers who it was after he recovers... I'd give that guy a little thumb throttle to the eye!

I do not know about letting off the gas he did not tell me that just said they gave him some advice. Either way its sucks and I hope he has a 100% recovery.

[Baileygunns]

For sure, hope he has a quick and problem free recovery.

If you look at the vid he lets off the gas right at the top of the ramp then pegs it mid air.

[Jooceman]

I hate to see this happen, I talked to Bill last night and he was in a lot of pain. I hope you heal up fast you are definitely in our thoughts and prayers.

[CurtisL]

no bueno.... get better man

[johns450r]

No one told him to let off the throttle he was going way to slow to hit the jump we dident even think he was going to hit it we thought he was doing another practice run then he hit the ramp

[YAMAHABANSHEE06]

Dam that was a hard hit he took it like a trooper though, get well soon. I know the pain of breaking bones from head to toe so I know what he is going through.

[Anderthal]

Damn Bill!! Hope you recover quickly. Broken hips are no fun at all. They don't call you Wild Bill for nothing!!

[Spartan727]

Damn that's painful to watch...Hope he gets better

[suzukiman]

wow, hope you get better soon Bill!!!!

[Boomer]

Ouch! Just watching that hurts.

[WHO ME]

I just have to say one thing. The person he was following and taking pointers from was only coaching him on how he jumps it time and time again.. So to put something in his eye is not too cool to be saying.. It was a bad jump and the only person at fault is the person behind the handle bars. Bill, John and I are praying for ya and your speedy recovery.... No need to put the blame on someone or a thumb in their eyes.

[pancho]

Wow that look so bad. Bill is a strong man. It will take some time but he will be back :thumb:.

[Endo636]

I just have to say one thing. The person he was following and taking pointers from was only coaching him on how he jumps it time and time again.. So to put something in his eye is not too cool to be saying.. It was a bad jump and the only person at fault is the person behind the handle bars. Bill, John and I are praying for ya and your speedy recovery.... No need to put the blame on someone or a thumb in their eyes.

agreed.. The point of letting off the gas at the peak of the jump is to prevent nose climb. If your hard on the gas after the front tires come off the ground , the quad or bike will move towards the 12oclock position.. So in theory , what he was told if he was told that is correct.. You get enough ramp speed , and let off just before the jump blippin while air born and gasin it on landing.. sara and i watch all the pro am riders doing the exact thing. I know i do it on every jump by habbit...\

Speedy recovery bill.

[Baileygunns]

Steady throttle on a 4 stroke, lay off in the air, "blip" the throttle or tap brakes if needed.

I would hope the "coach" didn't tell him to let off the throttle. That's how I read it in DS650's post. You're absolutely right in saying it's no ones fault but the one behind the bars... However, to set some one up for failure would be wrong. If it was a jump gone bad, it was a jump gone bad. If the coach gave him good directions I retort the thumb throttle comment.

[stillridin]

Ok I and a few others were watching Matt, a guy who works at Motoplex, hit the jump many many times. Bill started to do dry runs next to Matt to get the speed down. Bill was told to hit the jump using an even speed. There was a smaller jump next to the free syle ramp as you saw in the video. Everytime Bill hit the smaller jump he would land on his back tires. The advice that was givin was to use an even speed to land on all 4's. Same advice as Matt's. We thought he was going to do a couple more practice runs to get the speed down but he went for it. And the reason the ramp was set up so far away is because it was set up for Matt and the other guy, I wish I could remember his name. They had started with the ramp only 10 feet away,than moved it in 5foot incriments,(spell check), the week before. They said it's a pain in the a$$ to move and relevel it.I think the distance was 45 feet. We all felt very bad for bill, and in no way was he pushed or cheered on to do it. He wanted to do it. Why did I post it? Bill wanted to see it posted. I just wanted to clear things up before things got to crazy. So for now lets just pray for him and his family.:thumb:

[johns450r]

Ok I and a few others were watching Matt, a guy who works at Motoplex, hit the jump many many times. Bill started to do dry runs next to Matt to get the speed down. Bill was told to hit the jump using an even speed. There was a smaller jump next to the free syle ramp as you saw in the video. Everytime Bill hit the smaller jump he would land on his back tires. The advice that was givin was to use an even speed to land on all 4's. Same advice as Matt's. We thought he was going to do a couple more practice runs to get the speed down but he went for it. And the reason the ramp was set up so far away is because it was set up for Matt and the other guy, I wish I could remember his name. They had started with the ramp only 10 feet away,than moved it in 5foot incriments,(spell check), the week before. They said it's a pain in the a$$ to move and relevel it.I think the distance was 45 feet. We all felt very bad for bill, and in no way was he pushed or cheered on to do it. He wanted to do it. Why did I post it? Bill wanted to see it posted. I just wanted to clear things up before things got to crazy. So for now lets just pray for him and his family.:thumb:
Thanks rick for the post the other guys name is bill also

[WHO ME]

Thanks Rick for verification on what happened. Glad to hear he doesn't need surgery.

NO ONE SET BILL UP FOR FAILURE!!! R U KIDDING.
Matt is the kindest person and most helpful person anyone will ever meet or want to meet..... Trust me his LAST thought was NOT TO SET BILL UP TO FAIL! That is the craziest thing anyone has ever said and I think that I am done reading anything on this tread!!!!

[DS650]

Thanks Rick for verification on what happened. Glad to hear he doesn't need surgery.

NO ONE SET BILL UP FOR FAILURE!!! R U KIDDING.
Matt is the kindest person and most helpful person anyone will ever meet or want to meet..... Trust me his LAST thought was NOT TO SET BILL UP TO FAIL! That is the craziest thing anyone has ever said and I think that I am done reading anything on this tread!!!!

No one said Matt set anyone up, you have assumed that by reading in to it!!!. We all get advice from time to time take it or leave it. We get advice from financial people some time we win some time we loose, and so on and so on. What we do with the advice is that person who uses the advice and it is solely that persons responsibility. The person using the advice is the sole responsible person. Wild Bill told me nothing of the sort about blame. He just mentioned the big difference in the quads. That is not pointing any fingers or blame at anyone. He attempted the jump and crashed. If you ride quads, bikes or even drive in a car we all have the time when we OOPS! You probable got advice from someone when you were learning to driver a car. If you have crashed did you point the finger at the person who gave you that advice? I think not! READ AND COMPREHEND THE POST, NO ONE BLAMED ANYBODY, so let it go!

To the two riders hurt in this post get well and God bless.

[PaulS]

No one said Matt set anyone up, you have assumed that by reading in to it!!!. We all get advice from time to time take it or leave it. We get advice from financial people some time we win some time we loose, and so on and so on. What we do with the advice is that person who uses the advice and it is solely that persons responsibility. The person using the advice is the sole responsible person. Wild Bill told me nothing of the sort about blame. He just mentioned the big difference in the quads. That is not pointing any fingers or blame at anyone. He attempted the jump and crashed. If you ride quads, bikes or even drive in a car we all have the time when we OOPS! You probable got advice from someone when you were learning to driver a car. If you have crashed did you point the finger at the person who gave you that advice? I think not! READ AND COMPREHEND THE POST, NO ONE BLAMED ANYBODY, so let it go!

To the two riders hurt in this post get well and God bless.

Yeah he kinda did, he might not have meant to but .....................................

Steady throttle on a 4 stroke, lay off in the air, "blip" the throttle or tap brakes if needed.

I would hope the "coach" didn't tell him to let off the throttle. That's how I read it in DS650's post. You're absolutely right in saying it's no ones fault but the one behind the bars... However, to set some one up for failure would be wrong. If it was a jump gone bad, it was a jump gone bad. If the coach gave him good directions I retort the thumb throttle comment.

[cr ash250r]

Holy way out of control CANT EVERYONE JUST GET ALONG this thread is toast:blahblah::wtf:

[DS650]

Steady throttle on a 4 stroke, lay off in the air, "blip" the throttle or tap brakes if needed.

I would hope the "coach" didn't tell him to let off the throttle. That's how I read it in DS650's post. You're absolutely right in saying it's no ones fault but the one behind the bars... However, to set some one up for failure would be wrong. If it was a jump gone bad, it was a jump gone bad. If the coach gave him good directions I retort the thumb throttle comment.

Thanks Rick for verification on what happened. Glad to hear he doesn't need surgery.

NO ONE SET BILL UP FOR FAILURE!!! R U KIDDING.
Matt is the kindest person and most helpful person anyone will ever meet or want to meet..... Trust me his LAST thought was NOT TO SET BILL UP TO FAIL! That is the craziest thing anyone has ever said and I think that I am done reading anything on this tread!!!!

Yeah he kinda did, he might not have meant to but .....................................

If you read Baileygunns post he mentioned a post by me, DS650. Baileygunns assumed I stated Matt told Wild Bill to let off the throttle. Where in my post does it say that. I re-read my post and it has no mention about any throttle. This is starting to sound like OJ Simpson's dream team for his double homicide, twist and distort the facts.

I have pointed no finger of blame at anyone, I am done with this blame game; I am here to ride and ride is what I shall do. Oh yes I have gotten advice from other riders and if I crash and get hurt I intend to blame nobody but myself.

[wild bill]

let me clarify what I said.....

I'm with you T.J.

All I was saying is that his bike is different than mine i didn't want to land rear wheels 1st..BUT as soon as i left the ramp I KNEW i was short sooooo i went for the panic rev to bring the front up...EPIC FAIL:eek:((as told by Billy))

Billy's hurtin BAD GUYS...he's not mad and has no regrets, he is using this experience as a learning one..so let's pull together and be there for him...

and
COMING SOON REVENGE OF WILD BILL!!!!!!!!!
POSTING LATER OF BODILY DAMAGE:owned::dirt bike:

[DS650]

let me clarify what I said.....

I'm with you T.J.

All I was saying is that his bike is different than mine i didn't want to land rear wheels 1st..BUT as soon as i left the ramp I KNEW i was short sooooo i went for the panic rev to bring the front up...EPIC FAIL:eek:((as told by Billy))

Billy's hurtin BAD GUYS...he's not mad and has no regrets, he is using this experience as a learning one..so let's pull together and be there for him...

and
COMING SOON REVENGE OF WILD BILL!!!!!!!!!
POSTING LATER OF BODILY DAMAGE:owned::dirt bike:


Thank you Wild Bill. Great you are back on the forum!!!!:cheers:

[Andy9933]

let me clarify what I said.....

I'm with you T.J.

All I was saying is that his bike is different than mine i didn't want to land rear wheels 1st..BUT as soon as i left the ramp I KNEW i was short sooooo i went for the panic rev to bring the front up...EPIC FAIL:eek:((as told by Billy))

Billy's hurtin BAD GUYS...he's not mad and has no regrets, he is using this experience as a learning one..so let's pull together and be there for him...

and
COMING SOON REVENGE OF WILD BILL!!!!!!!!!
POSTING LATER OF BODILY DAMAGE:owned::dirt bike:

Welcome back bill glad to see your gitting around:thumb:Missed you on saturday

[wild bill]

I just have to say one thing. The person he was following and taking pointers from was only coaching him on how he jumps it time and time again.. So to put something in his eye is not too cool to be saying.. It was a bad jump and the only person at fault is the person behind the handle bars. Bill, John and I are praying for ya and your speedy recovery.... No need to put the blame on someone or a thumb in their eyes.

damn things get twisted fast. theres no blame, no one told me too let off the throttle or any thing else stupid. matt i love ya man. :thumb:

[Boomer]

damn things get twisted fast. theres no blame, no one told me too let off the throttle or any thing else stupid. matt i love ya man. :thumb:

I'd probably still be going back and forth doing test runs. Not sure I would have had the nerve to point it up that ramp and go for it. Hats off to you Wild Bill! You'll nail it next time!

[Nick]

I love to try it if starting off with the ramp closer was an option.

[cr ash250r]

damn things get twisted fast. theres no blame, no one told me too let off the throttle or any thing else stupid. matt i love ya man. :thumb:

thats why we all love bill stand up guy hes the mannnnnnnnnnnn:thumb:

[cr ash250r]

I love to try it if starting off with the ramp closer was an option.

shit even bubba ritchey would try it if it was closer like 10 ft lmao

[wild bill]

Welcome back bill glad to see your gitting around:thumb:Missed you on saturday

i missed you too. i wish i could have stayed, im sure it was a great time. :devillook:

[trx#9]

Sorry about your injuries but I must add I wouldn't recommend jumping a freestyle ramp unless your a pro, pro-am, or A class rider and definitely not on a 400cc stock machine. Those ramps are really tricky sometimes, especially from that kind of distance.

[wild bill]

i hear the advice but probably wont be takin it, actually i am thinking about building one i just dont have a good place to do it. i dont like failure or too say i have been beaten. also the bike isnt quite stock and its definately in excellent mechanical condition and has never failed me.thanks for the concern either way.:thumb: maybe we can ride together one day and then maybe you would understand.

[trx#9]

No thanks, I just watch a video of your riding. :eek:








































J/K :crackup: At least heal up first though...:thumb:

[wild bill]

cool.....thats funny..:cheers::cheers:

[ilovehondas]

he lives up to the name WILD BILL!!!!

[stillridin]

I would but my wife took my balls along time ago and won't give them back. So I can only do things that doesn't require them. Safer that way. If I did have em, I would have been filming from the back of Bill's quad.:crackup::crackup:

[Endo636]

Sorry about your injuries but I must add I wouldn't recommend jumping a freestyle ramp unless your a pro, pro-am, or A class rider and definitely not on a 400cc stock machine. Those ramps are really tricky sometimes, especially from that kind of distance.

Bill , he wasnt neccessarily bashing the 400.. but the free style ramps have a tendency to kick you in different directions at different distances . When he said stock , i think he was referring more towards suspension then mechanical. Confidence is a must , and a set of brass balls always helps , but on a proper set up machine. either way hope your next attempt is successful

[dvx400]

Sorry about your injuries but I must add I wouldn't recommend jumping a freestyle ramp unless your a pro, pro-am, or A class rider and definitely not on a 400cc stock machine. Those ramps are really tricky sometimes, especially from that kind of distance.

dude i hear what you r saying, but let,s b real, not all people out there are pros and go and hit a free style ramp, hell pros, pro-am, or a class reiders didn,t know how to jump a ramp at all at one time, my point is you have to start some where, the pros did too, is all about trial and as bill can tell u error as well, so to say you have to b a pro? i agree a stock bike suspension is not really meant for that but if you land correctly a stock suspension can take a free style ramp, the jumps are built to land smooth, now how long a stock suspension will last doing that, that's another story, just saying if bill want,s to hit a free style ramp he can and no one should tell him he has to be a pro, we all start somewhere to learn, i think wild bill will be at it again just more safe about it next time. :welcome:

[trx#9]

dude i hear what you r saying, but let,s b real, not all people out there are pros and go and hit a free style ramp, hell pros, pro-am, or a class reiders didn,t know how to jump a ramp at all at one time, my point is you have to start some where, the pros did too, is all about trial and as bill can tell u error as well, so to say you have to b a pro? i agree a stock bike suspension is not really meant for that but if you land correctly a stock suspension can take a free style ramp, the jumps are built to land smooth, now how long a stock suspension will last doing that, that's another story, just saying if bill want,s to hit a free style ramp he can and no one should tell him he has to be a pro, we all start somewhere to learn, i think wild bill will be at it again just more safe about it next time. :welcome:Dude, if you can't go out and hit all the jumps on the mx track then in my opinion you shouldn't be attempting freestyle ramp jumps. We are now at record levels involving atv fatalities and injuries last year, soon they will be trying to ban atv's again like the late 1980's which they came close back then. Chet it took over 10 years for atv's to recover from the backlash of 3 wheelers and now it could happen all over again do to people that think that are freestyle jumpers or just idiots saying "hey look at me". I personally think that most of these tracks offering freestyle jumps are crazy and can't believe they want the liability of these potential death traps.
I'm just looking out for my fellow riders and our sport... :thumb:

[Andy9933]

SSSSSSWWWWEEETTTTT sorry too many dudes in here:wtf:

[ilovehondas]

dude .

[trx#9]

What, dudes? :rock:

[dvx400]

Dude, if you can't go out and hit all the jumps on the mx track then in my opinion you shouldn't be attempting freestyle ramp jumps. We are now at record levels involving atv fatalities and injuries last year, soon they will be trying to ban atv's again like the late 1980's which they came close back then. Chet it took over 10 years for atv's to recover from the backlash of 3 wheelers and now it could happen all over again do to people that think that are freestyle jumpers or just idiots saying "hey look at me". I personally think that most of these tracks offering freestyle jumps are crazy and can't believe they want the liability of these potential death traps.
I'm just looking out for my fellow riders and our sport... :thumb:

dude i hear you, and that,s cool but that,s just your OPINION and that's cool. you have the right to that. :welcome:

oh i forgot dude. :crackup:

[Pacleader700R]

DUDE! this post :rock::rock:

[Andy9933]

What, dudes? :rock:

You have to be a fuzzy pickle factory rider to hit a ramp..... Ssswwweeetttt

[cr ash250r]

Im a little late but DDDDDUUUUUUDDDDEEEEE:crackup:

[stillridin]

To all dudes and dudets Matt The Guy that was hitting the ramp over and over and over. Works at Motoplex. Pretty much does everything there ( sorry Paul) Grooms the track, won't hit one jump out there but will hit the ramp all day. Stock Raptor,2nd gear.DUDE!

[dvx400]

To all dudes and dudets Matt The Guy that was hitting the ramp over and over and over. Works at Motoplex. Pretty much does everything there ( sorry Paul) Grooms the track, won't hit one jump out there but will hit the ramp all day. Stock Raptor,2nd gear.DUDE!

well call the atv police he,s not a pro, pro am, or gnnc rider, lock him up and throw away the keys (jk) :crackup:

[PaulS]

But he did stay at Holiday Inn Express last night

[ilovehondas]

But he did stay at Holiday Inn Express last nightWild Bill must have camped out :crackup:

[wild bill]

ill be camping out soon at the plex.....dude everybody get your cameras ready.:crackup:

[ilovehondas]

ill be camping out soon at the plex.....dude everybody get your cameras ready.:crackup: I think you took too many pain killers :crackup:

[dvx400]

But he did stay at Holiday Inn Express last night
when did the plex get a Holiday Inn Express. :wtf:

[MPTonyT]

when did the plex get a Holiday Inn Express. :wtf:

Thats what Paul calls his Tent at the Plex. I hear theres a free sausage and egg breakfast the next morning. :rock:

[trx#9]

To all dudes and dudets Matt The Guy that was hitting the ramp over and over and over. Works at Motoplex. Pretty much does everything there ( sorry Paul) Grooms the track, won't hit one jump out there but will hit the ramp all day. Stock Raptor,2nd gear.DUDE!That's a little different circumstance, I'm sure in the beginning they had the freestyle jump super close and moved it out 5 feet or so at the time after mastering a short distance jumping. So thats a super advantage for them and someone like Bill that tried his first jump at much farther distance didn't get that same opportunity. :thumb:








Dude :rock:

[Andy9933]

Dude :rock:




































SWEET:rock:

[Sara]

DUDE!! what does mine say?!

[trx#9]

Kissmyace!!!!!!!






:crackup:

[suzukiman]

Sorry about your injuries but I must add I wouldn't recommend jumping a freestyle ramp unless your a pro, pro-am, or A class rider and definitely not on a 400cc stock machine. Those ramps are really tricky sometimes, especially from that kind of distance.

Well, nothing wrong with a 400, not too long ago before the 450's I've seen many people, hitting freestyle ramps and more, anyone watch Huevos???????????? Plus it takes some wrecking ball size balls to just hit that jump for the first time!!!

[Baileygunns]

Well, nothing wrong with a 400, not too long ago before the 450's I've seen many people, hitting freestyle ramps and more, anyone watch Huevos???????????? Plus it takes some wrecking ball size balls to just hit that jump for the first time!!!

Balls or lack of brains... I'm just saying....

[stillridin]

Well, nothing wrong with a 400, not too long ago before the 450's I've seen many people, hitting freestyle ramps and more, anyone watch Huevos???????????? Plus it takes some wrecking ball size balls to just hit that jump for the first time!!!

That's why he didn,t make it! He was dragging his wrecking balls. Slowed him down:crackup::crackup:

[96cobra10101]

By the way Bill, how you feelin' man? Hope the pain is subsiding.